Sociology professor Paul Harasha casually checking out something super interesting (game scores) on his computer before class (Alejandra Guillen)
Today, I had the honor of interviewing one of my favorite professors of all time, Paul Harasha, Professor of Sociology at Mesa Community College. I took his Sociology 101 class during the summer and I cannot say that I ever dreaded going to his class. Since I found his class and teaching methods very intriguing, I decided to interview him in order to get a sociological perspective/opinion on SB 1070, the Deferred Action Plan and, of course, the Dream Act. So, without further ado, here it is.
AG: Let’s start locally with SB 1070. Do you think that it promotes racial profiling and how does that pose a problem from a sociological standpoint?
PH: That’s not a short answer… I think it definitely promotes racial profiling. None of this is new. Our country has been doing this from the get-go, with exclusion of whatever it is- women, people with disabilities, Native Americans. So does it promote racial profiling? There’s no doubt in my mind that it does. Only certain groups of people are getting stopped. They’re not stopping people in certain neighborhoods, they’re not stopping people near colleges. So I think it promotes unhealthy relations, conflict intention and we’re losing trust.
AG: So to branch off of that, why do you think that we as a society fear illegal immigrants and undocumented citizens?
PH: I don’t know if it’s fear as much as insecurity. Just to do a little history, in the 80s and 90s when the stock market was screaming and people’s 401k’s were doing well, we didn’t care about the immigration issue. The minute people start feeling threatened and there’s kind of an outside force supposedly, you know, taking their jobs or things like that, we need a scapegoat. So as our 401k’s are hurting and people are losing their jobs, which is no fun for anyone to lose their job, but we need to blame somebody, so we find a scapegoat. [Immigrants] are an easy target. During World War II in this country, we needed workers because all the men were fighting, so we… opened up the borders and let people work. So we liked them then. And the minute the soldiers came back, everyone was fighting for resources. I don’t know if it’s a fear or just an insecurity. It happened in the depression in the Thirties, where we rounded up and deported American Citizens of Mexican descent and pushed them away.
AG: So do you think that this continuous cycle of invitation and rejection of immigrants will keep happening throughout history, or do you think that at some point it will stop and we’ll be comfortable with having them here?
PH: All over the world today- not just Mexico coming to America- but all over the globe, people are moving at rapid rates. People are in transit and immigrating, for lack of better words, toward jobs all over the place. Europe doesn’t have a high population, so people from Africa and Asia are moving to Europe for jobs. And if they’re not liked and don’t speak the language, don’t have the same religion, the’re not being assimilated or accepted very well. So same thing in this country. Until we figure [this] out globally, we’ll continue to have trouble. America is not unique to this, it’s happened all over the world.
AG: So now with that being said, let’s talk about the DREAM Act and the Deferred Action Plan. Even though the Deferred Action plan is a huge breakthrough, it’s the only on to have successfully branched from the DREAM Act after about a decade of going through Congress and it still doesn’t allow the same rights to undocumented citizens. Do you think that we’ll ever progress towards that or do you think that undocumented citizens will be at a standstill with minimal rights?
PH: No, I’m the eternal optimist. I think we’ll figure it out and realize the potential that are in this country regardless of where they were born or how they came here. We need to utilize their potential. We need to see the nobility in every human being and what they can contribute. Young people like you will change the world and figure out better ways to incorporate citizens or non-citizens. Is it going to be a struggle to get there? Yeah. I just think that with the history of this country’s exclusion rather than inclusion and seeing what people can bring, … we’re wasting a lot of potential. There are some kids out there that can contribute to this country and we need to figure out ways to utilize their capacity whether it’s in education or, you know, all different areas.
AG: Branching off of the topic of young people, just recently the Maricopa Community Colleges said they would begin to grant in-state tuition to undocumented students. How do you feel about that?
PH: We’ve got to stop putting barriers and obstacles in front of people. Tuition’s already high enough, so if someone’s been here and living here we need to educate them. The lower the tuition, the better for them to be educated and be part of our work force and more importantly, to just contribute. If we put obstacles up, we’re gonna pay for it one way or the other. Whether it’s in different forms of welfare or crime. So I’m for lower tuition or in-state tuition.
AG: For everyone, right?
PH: For everyone!
AG: Good! Is there anything you’d like to add?
PH: For all of these issues with immigration and citizenship, I think society has to mature to recognize that we’re transitioning to a globalized world and the next phase in this is uniting as countries and as a globe to understand that it doesn’t matter where you’re from. Economy is global, and the next step is to recognize that one-ness through economics, through education, probably through religion, through politics. I think that we’re still a little immature as a society to recognize that, but the next stage is to figure out how to unite as a planet. This barrier, Mexico and the United States, is a man-made barrier. It’s putting up more obstacles that are preventing us form unifying as a planet. We have our work cut out for us, but that’s the next stage in human evolution- to come together.
AG: That was deep… You’ve mentioned that we have the same problem everywhere else, but do you think that for some reason immigration is a bigger problem in the United States than anywhere else?
PH: It probably seems big to us because we live here. I think once America figures it out, because we are probably one of the most diverse, if not the most diverse country in the world, we have different religions, languages, cultures coming together. America is a challenge just because we are so diverse. And how to incorporate all of these different groups of people accept everybody, include everybody, have justice for everybody and all walks of life, once we figure it out with young people being engaged and coming up with solutions, America will be the model or the beacon for the rest of the world because we are so different. Young people like you have their work cut out. But you guys with your technology, and your social networking and your access to information and your desire to be of service will change the world. You guys are crossing boundaries with different races and different cultures. You haven’t had good models on how to do it, but you guys will change it through public policy, through your neighborhoods, through your friends. I think you guys have a desire to serve, you just don’t know how. You’re finding a place to use your energies, and once you find it, you will change your communities and bring us peace and unity and justice.
Paul Harasha, everybody. Always an advocate for the young ones.